Curse

wind fire and ice · May 27, 2010, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Disagree. Drunkard is more about the time AND the money. That's why it's more prestigious then sweet tooth, and more prestigious then party points (even though party points were initially rarer and more expensive).

@s73ve_o: having worked on the drunkard title legitimately, you do not just drink ale while afking/watching tv. You drink ale all the time. When I'm playing PvE, I'm drinking. When I'm raptor farming (a farm that conveniently takes about 3 miniutes), drinking. When I'm selling stuff in chat, drinking. When I'm playing RA (not even kidding), drinking. Pretty easy to do when you turn off post processing effects.

Drunkard does take more time then sweet/party,but it still isn't a massive effort.

You can easily cover it while vanquishing/ect.,it isn't a huge deal.

With that said people shouldn't bot for it either,but your original post about the matter was a bit off..you can do the title in a short time if you have the money to support it.

s73ve_o · May 27, 2010, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

You're basically saying that honest players not using an autoclicker are idiots.

Wonder why there was no built in drunkard bot. Better yet, we should all be getting the Drunkard title by just clicking once.

Sure.

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they kinda are for waisting their time (pre mass-ban)

if you pay for a game you should be allowed to do what you want with it so long as it doesnt impact anyone else. for example they mods that change skins. thats not part of the game but anet themselves have said they dont want to ban them

Rocky Raccoon · May 27, 2010, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

It astounds me the amount of mental gymnastics you are doing to somehow see it as being harmful/malicious. A different tune would surely be whistled if you too were using something for drunkard, it's all perspective. Let's step outside of this whole perspective based argument, and go back to what I'm trying to say.

Find me a way in which this can be construed as malicious. And should something that is not proven to be malicious be acted upon.

/ignore, don't feed the troll

HawkofStorms · May 27, 2010, 12:14 AM // 00:14

You can always tell when something works.

The very people it was designed to target (botters) are the ones most ticked off about it.

Kinda like when dishonor was implemented. People complaining about no longer being able to leave and rejoin RA matches until they got into a team with a monk... umm wut? Yeah, that's what dishonor was meant to stop.

Also, at the conspiracy theorists (shutting down the servers, ROLFLMAO). This is not the first time A.net has ever banned botters. They've done it numerous times in the past. I don't have numbers on me, but I don't even think 3,700 is that large compared to some of the bannings from a few years ago. Don't act shocked. This is not some unusual break from policy for them.

The Drunkard · May 27, 2010, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Our bickering is useless either way, truth is either of us can just as easily be wrong, it's time for anet to quit dicking it up and just answer the simple question, drunkbot, bannable or not, answer that question and the shenanigans over it will end.

It's a bot, therefore it's bannable.

How about instead of arguing semantics you go take a break and do something productive?

Del · May 27, 2010, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Hellick Stoner

lol you sound as bad as them. you make no sense. that quote pertains IF I DID Violate the eula agreement, WHICH I DID NOT!

you say you did not, but if anet banned you, they had reports and/or proof supporting the ban, good luck with that whole court thing brah.

Venla · May 27, 2010, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Thanks Anet, my pvp monk finds her job a lot more agreeable now

How about bringing out the ban Dhuum again once in a while so we get the occasion to strike a pose with him

Would be a shame to waste such a cool bit of programming on a one-time event that most people missed.

snaek · May 27, 2010, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

The /report command goes to Customer Support. We provided other options, like the email ([email protected]) or the web interface, to make it easier for players to report issues.

james phinney stated that they "increased the number of people dealing with bots". does this mean that the /report command will actually be seriously considered now by support? because let me tell you that in the past, it has been near to complete useless to the point where it feels like i'm writing letters to santa claus that never get read.

byteme! · May 27, 2010, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Our bickering is useless either way, truth is either of us can just as easily be wrong, it's time for anet to quit dicking it up and just answer the simple question, drunkbot, bannable or not, answer that question and the shenanigans over it will end.

Anet already mentioned what was acceptable in THIS thread and IN GAME. Anything NOT mentioned is subject to termination. This INCLUDES DRUNKARD BOT because it was NEVER EVER EVER mentioned as one of the acceptable 3rd party programs. Are you that dense or did you not get that message?

Joe Fierce · May 27, 2010, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

You can always tell when something works.

The very people it was designed to target (botters) are the ones most ticked off about it.

Kinda like when dishonor was implemented. People complaining about no longer being able to leave and rejoin RA matches until they got into a team with a monk... umm wut? Yeah, that's what dishonor was meant to stop.

Also, at the conspiracy theorists (shutting down the servers, ROLFLMAO). This is not the first time A.net has ever banned botters. They've done it numerous times in the past. I don't have numbers on me, but I don't even think 3,700 is that large compared to some of the bannings from a few years ago. Don't act shocked. This is not some unusual break from policy for them.

You'd be surprised to find out I'm not botting my drunkard title, but simply using a timer and taking care of it while playing, because I don't want my computer sitting idle that long without me making use of the electricity it's killing.

Doesn't mean I still can't stand against something I see as being wrong.

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

Our bickering is useless either way, truth is either of us can just as easily be wrong, it's time for anet to quit dicking it up and just answer the simple question, drunkbot, bannable or not, answer that question and the shenanigans over it will end.

Actually YES, please answer, so this troll will shut the ---- up already, even though his question has been answered by several people more than once already.

Spyda Prince · May 27, 2010, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Thanks for taking your time on doing this, i have played for 5 years, got gwamm on my ele a year ago, starting botting less than a month ago, seeing how everyone was doing it and it seemed like no one gave a crap about this dieing game to police it. all 3 of my accounts got banned, not sure why the 3rd got banned, its factions only and just use it for a mule. but i had 7 stacks of ecto before botting and that is still all i had now, well gg, now I can get back to real life i guess

prey monkie · May 27, 2010, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

What we're witnessing is the exact opposite, cheaters are getting banned, those are no "good players", sorry.

I'm just saying. Anet Killed High end pve/pvp with this bann. and why wouldnt they? GW1 is just costing them money. they are not gaining anything from it. why lose money if u can save money with killing gw. and sure pvp bots were nasty. but pve bots never really changed anything except for the low black/white dye prices

windtalker · May 27, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19

On PvE: I think what we are really seeing is a complete failure, on the part of ANet, to follow through with their statements. Guild Wars was the "no-grind" game. It then became a "grind" game. Since people who bought the game liked the idea of being at the same level as others without grind, they began to search for ways to shorten the "grind".

To compensate for this grind, ANet employees implied, multiple times, on community sites, that if you wanted to use a tool (macro) to make the grind (Drunkard) easy, go ahead. They also implied that using third party programs to alter your game would not be prosecuted. Since there were many other achievements in the game that required even more grind, some people took it a step further and used tools to cut down on the time required to do this. I'm not saying this is per EULA or "ok" but ANet lured people into the PvE aspect of the game by claiming the game was something that it turned out not to be. How can you expect the customers' behavior to be per your rules when you are changing the rules of the game, as they play?

Caveat: There were a few powerbotters who were probably banned, which I am fine with. See below in the PvP section... these people have the resources and the skill to start right back up again.

PvP: You suck as a person if you bot in PvP. I'm glad those people got banned. Although it would make more sense to actually take the initiative and make the game not so freaking easy to bot in. As many people have said, these botters have the in game money and account resources to continue. I don't expect the PvP botting issue to go away at all.

So, in conclusion, you have lost people who cared about the game and people who "bought in" to the way you initially advertised the game. These people won't come back. While doing so, you got a few powerbotters and some pvp botters. The people who do come back are the worst offenders. There's no way around that.

So let's do some good math here and find out what really happened here today:
Guild Wars = A Dying Game
Guild Wars = Power bots + People who like the game and occasionally botted to reduce grind + People who don't bot

Enter Anet
Anet takes the people who liked the game and occasionally used tools to reduce grind (or even tools to enhance the way the game looked (texmod, KSMod) out of the equation by banning them.
The power botters will be back.

Now:
Guild Wars = Power Botters + People who don't bot
A Dying game - people who cared about the game = A Dead Game
Guild Wars = A Dead Game

GG Anet.

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

I hate to burst your bubble but you signed this agreement, we all did...

14. TERMINATION

(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game(s) as described in the Rules of Conduct.

Should NC Interactive decide to suspend or terminate this Agreement with a User under any circumstances, the User will lose access to your Account.

(b) You agree that if the Service or your Account is suspended, terminated or cancelled for any reason or length of time, you are not entitled to any reimbursement or refund of any fees or unused access time.

And if you want to take it up with customer support, I dont think threats are going to help your case.

I think the banhammer in this instance could actually yield a tremendous secondary benefit. It would appear to create a large displaced player pool that an ambitious practitioner of consumer law could take up in a class action format aimed at that most questionable of legal documents, the EULA. I don't claim to be a student of Euro case law, but the impression that I've received is that European legal systems seem to hold general disregard for EULAs, maybe this could be the impetus for American consumer law to lay the banhammer on EULAs.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

Actually YES, please answer, so this troll will shut the ---- up already, even though his question has been answered by several people more than once already.

Several people who aren't from Anet, which is what he's asking.

byteme! · May 27, 2010, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Spyda Prince

Thanks for taking your time on doing this, i have played for 5 years, got gwamm on my ele a year ago, starting botting less than a month ago, seeing how everyone was doing it and it seemed like no one gave a crap about this dieing game to police it. all 3 of my accounts got banned, not sure why the 3rd got banned, its factions only and just use it for a mule. but i had 7 stacks of ecto before botting and that is still all i had now, well gg, now I can get back to real life i guess

WAIT! The famous speed clearing guild [DL] had a bunch of botters? Your image has been destroyed, ruined, spit on, bitch slapped etc...

Gill Halendt · May 27, 2010, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by s73ve_o

if you pay for a game you should be allowed to do what you want with it

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it doesn't work like that.

That's why there are Rules of Conduct. Rules of Conduct forbid the usage of ANY kind of bot. Skipping all you have to personally do to get a title and still being able to get it IS an unfair advantage over those who chose not to take the bot shortcut. There's no difference between the Drunkard bot and, say, the Raptor bot that provides unid golds for the Wisdom title.

People often forget that videogames are NOT exempt from rules just for being set in virtual environments. Expecially when those rules are so explicitly written in the End User Licence Agreement.

Well, sorry for not being an idiot myself. Never used the Drunkard Bot. Got the title anyway. Not banned. Who was being idiot again?

HawkofStorms · May 27, 2010, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Spyda Prince

Thanks for taking your time on doing this, i have played for 5 years, got gwamm on my ele a year ago, starting botting less than a month ago, seeing how everyone was doing it and it seemed like no one gave a crap about this dieing game to police it. all 3 of my accounts got banned, not sure why the 3rd got banned, its factions only and just use it for a mule. but i had 7 stacks of ecto before botting and that is still all i had now, well gg, now I can get back to real life i guess

"But officer, every other car was speeding on the interstate too"

So?

Seriously, being in law enforcement is what makes this thread so comical to me. Most of the people here are using the same excuses I hear thieves and meth addicts use on a daily basis.

StormDragonZ · May 27, 2010, 12:21 AM // 00:21

If you got banned and you know you shouldn't have, file a report and do that NOW instead of taking the time to complain about whatever stuff you had.

Why in the hell would you even need to hold so many Ectoplasm or whatever items in the first place?

I do have to bring up one question. I've recently been using TexMod in Cartography checks every so often, but not every time I log on GW. Should I be a little afraid that my account might get banned if I try loading TexMod again?